- theres a big number of people who are really into it. ( same with cannabis ) - the people who are not into it cannot see anything good in it. ( same with cannabis )

The same holds true for: homosexuality, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Matrix, American Idol, MTV, chocolate, everything else in the world. There are many more variables that differentiate the two, and oversimplifying religion and drugs makes it look as though pot heads are simple-minded.

Both are addictive. Both can be detrimental, if abused

E. Macy, I am dreaming of koffie shops and finally living in a free county! See u there!

BTW, I may be a "pothead" (such a negative sounding stereotypical term), but I am also a Christian. Weed/Shrooms/Cactus are God's gift to me, and I plan on enjoying them.

How is it unsmart to give religion to children? I really want to know how religion can be detrimental to children.

It closes their minds and sews the seeds of ignorance and arrogance for the rest of their lives.

Although I acknowledge that religion can be abused, the same holds true for everything including water. Do drug advocates hate religion or do they believe that their drugs improve their life, or that religion generally hinders life as bad as drugs do?

Anything can be abused, just as anything can be used responsibly. The difference between drugs and religion is that you can quit drugs and learn how to stay away...a little harder to do with a religion you indoctrinate and base your entire beliefs system on.

The same holds true for: homosexuality, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Matrix, American Idol, MTV, chocolate, everything else in the world. There are many more variables that differentiate the two, and oversimplifying religion and drugs makes it look as though pot heads are simple-minded.

Calling the people who matter in this "simple minded" isn't going to win you too many brownie points, Messy. But of course, what's to be expected from a Republican? You guys can't go for more than 5 minutes without calling people names.


BTW, I noticed that other thread was locked (conveniently) and you posted this:

After some thought, it does seem to me that one really can't validate a drug-user's idea on how the War on Drugs issue, because they don't seem to believe that drug-use is bad, and therefore won't offer alternatives to minimize drug abuse, which I'm sure is the main reason why the War on Drugs exist (I really doubt it's because the government wants to take away people's "God-given rights."

This has to be the most ignorant thing I have ever heard anyone say. Of course you can validate a drug user's idea on the WoD issue as far as responsible drug use goes. Drug use, not abuse.

You see, this is where you are proving your ignorance. Drug ABUSE is bad...responsible drug USE is not. It's not necessarily good and it's certainly not for everyone but it's far from being bad. It's neutral, and in the realm of personal choice. Just because you have never done any drugs in your life and have been taught that drugs are the most evil scourge the world has ever seen doesn't mean that it's the truth.

As far as minimizing drug abuse goes, you do that by legalizing and controlling it, like alcohol and cigarettes, not by keeping it in the black market where 80% of it is marketed to teens and younger adults.

As far as the government not taking people's right away, or that not being their intentions...? May I suggest you borrow The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer from your local library...you might change your mind a bit once you read through that.

It reminds me of pacificists, who also have problems with the current way things are done, but do not offer any decent alternatives. Until they accept that the country does not want drug-abuse to proliferate, even if it does mean that one can toke as they please, they will be seen as potheads who are only interested in blazin' their lives away.

Drug advocates do offer solutions...they just aren't the solutions you want to hear...you want to hear some sort of amazing plan to eradicate drugs forever, from people who know that it will never happen. You are, in essence, wanting people to lie to you. Well wake up Messy, you want the truth and the true solutions...you've recieved them. It's your choice whether or not to realize that people are telling you the best solution.

Hell, even the most faith-driven prohibitionists know that the Drug War will never end...I don't know how you could seriously expect to get an answer from anyone on how to end the Drug War other than ending it...because fighting drugs will be an ever-losing never-ending battle. And when you're fighting drugs, all you're really fighting is people, good people who do nothing else wrong or illegal except enjoy themselves with a substance the government wants to make a profit off of (being illegal).


And btw, most people who are fighting for legalization don't want drug abuse to proliferate either. It's just that drug advocates know there are better ways to control the stuff than by making it illegal (which makes it pretty much completely out of control).

It really isn't about drug abuse. It's about drug use. You need to keep those two issues seperate, as hard as it might be to do...because they are two vastly different issues and you can't lump them together to justify that "all drug use is bad, therefore the WoD is necessary." That's just being willfully ignorant and evasive.

Bah, I see some people caving to BakerStreet and saying that drugs are essentially bad and such. Drugs are not bad when used responsibly...and if they were legal, people would know how to use them responsibly instead of guestimating like they do now.

And BTW, it is true that one will never understand something unless they see it/feel it/do it themselves. It's like with music...you can listen to it but if you compare listening to a rock CD vs. actually learning and playing the rock song on the guitar, learning how to sing it, etc etc...it's completely different and you understand it much more than before. Same with talking about drugs vs. using drugs...or talking about alcohol vs. using alcohol...or talking about driving when you're a teen vs. learning to drive...or anything at all where you learn by doing.

Just as the other comment I posted on the other page ended (the one which you deleted), if you force yourself into remaining ignorant of the biggest aspects of drugs, then you will never truly understand them nor will you find the answers which you seek.

Bah, I see some people caving to BakerStreet and saying that drugs are essentially bad and such. Drugs are not bad when used responsibly...and if they were legal, people would know how to use them responsibly instead of guestimating like they do now.

Legal drugs are abused, and they even have the exact dosage to take on the bottles!

I'll be, something I agree with Messy on! Cheers for that.

Cheers

I used heaps of drugs this weekend... it was awesome...

put that in your pipe and smoke it Messy!!!

!!!

taking some cough syryp right now, does that count?

I still don't see your point, Messy. Just because drugs can be abused is no reason to outlaw them...that's like outlawing anal sex because it COULD cause damage, or outlawing loud music because it COULD cause damage...if we outlawed everything that COULD possibly cause damage, there wouldn't be one thing left that would be legal...including eating food and drinking water.

Wake up, Messy...your arguments are far too illogical, even for a right-winger.

The problem is not that they could be abused, but the harmful side effects that all drugs, eventually have.

Cheers

My point was that your point was wrong.

Drugs are not bad when used responsibly...and if they were legal, people would know how to use them responsibly instead of guestimating like they do now.

I was providing an example of how even if drugs were legal, people would not "know" how to use them responsibly.

I still don't see your point, Messy. Just because drugs can be abused is no reason to outlaw them...that's like outlawing anal sex because it COULD cause damage, or outlawing loud music because it COULD cause damage...if we outlawed everything that COULD possibly cause damage, there wouldn't be one thing left that would be legal...including eating food and drinking water.

There are many differences between drugs and anal sex / loud music, such as that music and anal sex, at least to my knowledge, don't have such bad side effects when abused (although I'm sure both would be painful). Also, the world seems to value loud music and anal sex far more than they do drugs.

yeah, loud music and anal sex have very little chance for death and/or serious brain damage when abused...

@ Messy
" I was providing an example of how even if drugs were legal, people would not "know" how to use them responsibly."

Well mate, i guess you are american. ...
...even though you (should) know that by just doing what u r doing, having a BIG fridge, driving a typical gas-unefficient gadget-infested car, having a unsufficiently insulated house, drinking beverages from styrofoam cups instead of bringing your own, ..maybe you have A/C, ...and maybe you know that all these things together
come to a sum. Americans are burning/wasting about 30 of the worlds energy. while only being 5% of world population. ....and even though all this is known 98% of americans don´t give a fukk and live their lives like they see fit. ....the analogy to outlawing drugs would be destroying the USA.

...BAM!